• downpunxx@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    with the communist red and yellow hammer and sicle? is this a joke? how’d that work out for the ussr, cuban, north korean, and chinese citizens? keep using the graphics of failure, i’m sure at some point it’ll mask all the reality of disaster.

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      OP thinks all the victims of communism are either enemies of the people or made up by the CIA or some other dumb shit

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        OP thinks all the victims of communism are either enemies of the people or made up by the CIA or some other dumb shit

        I think the Nazis predate the CIA

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                  Yeah when you help the Nazis invade Poland, that’s an alliance.

                  In before “well akshually helping the Nazis was a good thing because the polish were the real Nazis” tankie apologia

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                  When you split up Poland with someone in a joint military invasion and help support their military with massive economic supplies, yes, you’re allies.

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            are you kidding me? 8 out of 10 Nazi soldiers died on the Eastern front, Soviets are the single greatest bringer of Nazi death that has ever existed

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              Sure, after 2 years of happy alliance. Stalin doesn’t get extra credit for being stabbed in the back by his ally. He still chose to make an alliance with Hitler.

              • 🏳️‍⚧️Edward [it/its]@lemmygrad.ml
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                In justification of the crucifixion of Czechoslovakia at Munich it was said that [the Soviet Union] could not be trusted and that her assistance would not be worth much in any case. On the points there could be honest difference of opinion, but not about the diplomatic record. Certainly the Czech Government did not doubt [the Soviet Union]'s sincerity. At a session of the Harris Institute at the University of Chicago in August 1939 I asked President [of Czechoslovakia] Benes whether [the Soviet Union] would have supported him had he decided to fight in September 1938. He replied, without an instant’s hesitation: “There was never any doubt in my mind that [the Soviet Union] would aid us by all the ways open to her, but I did not dare to fight with [Soviet] aid alone, because I knew that the British and French Governments would make out of my country another Spain.”

                Denna F. Flemming; The Cold War and Its Origins, 1917-1960; Vol 1, 1917-1950; Page 84

                All the [the Soviet Union] is just replacing Russia (the author likes using Russia instead of SU), it changes the quote in no way.

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                  Actions speak louder than words. Maybe Stalin gave Czechoslovakia some nice words, but what he did was help Hitler invade Poland as a friend and ally.

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        here’s the pretty unanimous “tankie” line on that question

        “This essay is presenting a very one-sided depiction of socialist states, with a great many of their shortcomings, mistakes, failures, and crimes (yes, a few) omitted or barely discussed”

        Their many shortcomings, mistakes, failures and crimes (more than a few) are why I have a disinterest in engaging with these political movements.

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        I’ve been contentedly silent til now, but I would also like OP to know that I keep them unblocked to laugh at them. I’ve thought about it several times, but then you get weird shit like “ripped Karl Marx” and “Communists are a separate subspecies of human.”

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    What’s a socialist? Why do you want me to become one? What’s in it for you?