School is starting up soon, and I want to install a stable distro to a 64GB flash drive that i own will remain stable while booting onto at least 2 computers (my home PC for maintenance and my School laptop for, well school).
I was thinking of just using Debian, but wasn’t sure if it would work well in terms of compatibility with my requirements.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Ventoy + as many ISOs as you want
- for Ventoy! more dynamic Linux experiences is one place and functions for one time effort…
They’re looking for a persistent install on a flash drive. To my knowledge it’s not easy to make ventoy do that.
This. Even if I don’t see a purpose to go anything beyond Armbian + Debian + “prebuilt” Manjaro.
Interesting! But will changes made to the OS you’re using be persistent? If I’m reading this right, then probably not, right?
correct – you can save individual files to the USB stick but anything like UI customization will be lost
There are ways, but it’s not standard.
You can you will have to set somethings up for it.
That’s interesting, I’d be interested in finding out more about that. Let’s see, I’ve always wanted to try this:
@ChatGPT@lemmings.world, how do you set up Ventoy for persistent installs of distros? That is, to be able to make changes to the operating system and have them stick?
Hi toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl,
Creating persistent live USBs with Ventoy is possible. However, keep in mind that not all Linux distributions support this feature. The distributions that Ventoy currently supports for persistent installations are Ubuntu and some of its derivatives.
Here’s a basic step-by-step guide:
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Prepare Ventoy: Ensure that you’ve already installed Ventoy on your USB drive. If not, download the latest Ventoy release from its official website and install it to your USB drive.
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Prepare the ISO file: Download the ISO file of the Linux distribution and copy it to the Ventoy USB drive. You can just put it in the root directory.
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Create a persistence file: Ventoy uses a data file to enable the persistence feature. You need to create this file on the Ventoy USB drive, there is an official utility named
create_vtoy_img.shin Linux orVentoy2Disk.exeon Windows that you can use to create this persistence data file. Name the file and define its size according to how much persistent storage you need. -
Bootstrap the persistence feature: After creating the data file, you should create a JSON file in the Ventoy USB drive to bootstrap the persistence feature. You can create a
.jsonfile in the root directory of the Ventoy USB drive with the following format:
{ "persistence" : [ { "image" : "/your-linux-distro.iso", "backend" : "/ventoy-persistent-data-file.dat" } ] }Replace
your-linux-distro.isowith the filename of your Linux distro ISO file and replaceventoy-persistent-data-file.datwith your Ventoy persistent data file’s name.- Boot from the Ventoy USB drive: Finally, boot your computer from the Ventoy USB drive. The Linux distro will launch with the persistence feature, so you’ll be able to save any changes you make.
Remember this is a generalized guide and actual steps can vary based on the specific distro, and tools being used.
Hope this helps! If you encounter issues or have further questions, feel free to ask.
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Huh, well, that doesn’t seem very convenient at all. I’m not all that interested in Ubuntu-based distros, for one.
Still, the ChatGPT bot seems to work well, so that’s pretty cool.
Arch and fedora are supported as well.
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Do yourself a favor and get an external hard drive. You’ll get much better results and can run almost any distro with it.
Definitely this.
I gave up on thumb drives as they are kind of trash. External NVMe drives are affordable, and the speed difference is BIG.
Even better get a NVMe enclosure and an internal NVMe drive.
Enclosures are $20 and you can get a 500gb Samsung 970 Evo for $35.
Smaller, lighter, cheaper and faster than any off the shelf portable drive you could get. I have one and it fully saturates the USB C 10Gbit port on my motherboard.
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somehow no one said puppy linux. it’s small, fast and functional. there is an compatible debian version here - https://vanilla-dpup.github.io/
One piece of advice I want to throw in here: Use a proper file system! exFAT or F2FS are flash-aware and will ensure that you dom’t kill your drive by frequent writes to the same memory cells!
Do you want it to be persistent(all your stuff is saved) or you dont mind it starting fresh everytime you plug in to devices?
It’s more about your software requirements then anything else.
Stable distros can be a pain when run as a desktop, so that might need to be rethought.
OpenSuse Tumbleweed is a rolling distro which deserves a look.
Endeavor OS for something Arch based.
Debian Testing is rolling for something Debian.
Fedora is semi-rolling for something in the red hat ecosystem.
OpenSuse Leap is a stable distro which gets bumped once a year, so that might be an option.
You could try Tails, it’s specifically made for this purpose. It’s ui is a bit old looking though, and it’s not that user friendly. If you can stand xfce or kde though, you’ll feel right at home though.
No, I meant I need a mobile workstation. Anonymity is not my primary goal here, but I will have Mullvad on.
I had the same need, and tried Tails thinking it would serve me well as a mobile workstation, but it ended up complicating things. Almost nothing is persistent.
Tails is good for other use cases.
That’s what I use tails for. Persistent storage for files and software make it really convinient to travel around with.
Bunsenlabs is Debian-based, but doesn’t have a classic desktop environment. Instead it uses super lightweight Openbox window manager and some other tricks to emulate one. It will run very well with 20gb disk space (you have triple that at your disposal). If you remove the programs you don’t use (the office suite, etc etc) you can trim the install down even more.
Wow Bunsenlabs. Now that’s a distro I haven’t heard in a while. lol. I used to have it on an old laptop many many years ago.
I’ve tried so many others out and I keep going back to it! I put it on everything haha.
I loved Crunchbang was sad to see it go
- BunsenLabs
- CrunchBangPlusPlus
- ArchLabs – EDIT: discontinued
😮
Very helpful, thank you. I will definitely give this a try!
No worries. It’s been my daily driver for a very long time at this point across many different machines. If you do go with Bunsen, it’s still on Debian 11. You can safely do an
apt dist-upgradeto 12 and it will keep the Bunsenlabs flavor without issue. I often run Sid repo as well, no issues for me.Solid consumer advice
It can be done. Just don’t cheap out. A USB4-attached NVMe disk will be faster than a run-of-the-mill USB 3.0 flash drive, and that will run circles around some cheap $10 USB 2.0 drive.
Not all flash drives are rated for constant use, so be sure to have a backup plan.
Other than that, it’s a cool idea! Go for it!
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Normally I’d advise you to not use manjaro with a link to the manjarno page but it appears their domain license lapsed so I cannot.
Never really got manjaro, never got around to it on my distro hopping spree.
Isn’t it just arch underneath?
It is
it’s arch but they have their own repo and hold back most packages for a week to make sure they don’t break something before deploying them, with moderate success, their main particularity though is to have attracted the hatred of arch users since their creation and even mentioning the name will get you a full lecture about how they’re eating babies and selling their body parts
I mean, on like 3 separate occasions they’ve accidentally ddosed the AUR, so tbh they have a right to be mad.
If they would just remove access to the AUR it would solve some things. I used it for years before just getting the itch to distro hop. It worked just fine for me, and I only used the AUR for a handful of things. Now, I’ll either compile myself or use flatpak if it’s not in any normal repo for any distro I land on.
That’s the one thing I don’t understand. Manjaro fucked up pamac way more times than necessary and yet they still don’t just ban pamac from accessing the aur.
there should be an authentication system certifying that your computer is using the right set of software before getting acess to the aur, it would be called the “os integrity api” and prevent the use of the aur from unapproved 3rd party software, all you would need to do is to log in to your verified arch user account and request a monthly aur usage token to be created and used by your registered system for the low price of 9.99
Arch users gonna arch
somebody snapshotted it on Github – Manjarno
Would have been funny if they forgot to renew theyr ssl cert
Tails!
Although I think tails is great, this isn’t the ideal use case
Maybe MX linux or AntiX Linux. They are very thumb drive focused
I’ve always used Xubuntu. It’s reasonably lightweight and the Ubuntu USB creator does the heavy lifting for creating persistence. The only downside is you have to have a running instance an Ubuntu flavor (bare metal, VM or USB) to use the tool.
I’ll probably just flash to one drive and install to the other. Thanks for the tip though!
Check out the Immutable Versions of Fedora (Kinonite and Silverblue especially)
If you’re using the flash drive as a block storage device with a root partition, I think just about any distribution would fit your requirements. Just try experimenting with it and make sure that both your machines can boot into the flash drive.
Ok, thanks. I just wasn’t sure if there were compatibility or stability issues with certain distros from switching machines so much.
The only trade off here is that read/write operations are going to be throttled by the speed of your flash drive which will be very noticeable compared to NVME internal storage.
The only trade off here is that read/write operations are going to be throttled
I agree with this, definitely noticeable with FD and maybe the better solution imo is buy SSD SATA 128gb, installed Ventoy on that, move all your ISO linux to Ventoy, and you can boot all Linux in one page without any flashing one by one again.
Very convinient, less effort, and more flexible according to your needs in instant. Start with FD 64gb is fine (as I started from that too), but in the end, I need to buy external SSD for not compromise the speed and storage (minus the size though than FD)…
There might need to be some extra firmware packages which need to new installed, but they’re shouldn’t be any problems from switching hardware.
