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        While it isn’t what they mean, I would say both parties are different flavors of far-right. Both are genocidal imperial warmongers that promulgate oppression of the marginalized in support of neoliberal capitalism. One does it openly while the other plays a game of taking credit for social changes it opposed and occasionally throwing a bone or two to those constituencies even while materially screwing them over in all other ways. And it will throw them under the bus the moment they can get away with it.

        Really, they are part of the same team and they fight those opposed to them far harder than they fight each other. Good cop/bad cop for the same precinct.

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        That Democrats would be considered right-of-center in other countries. They’re clearly a center-left party.

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            Seeking social justice through redistributive social and economic policies of government.

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              the extent and effort at which they create and enforce those policies is the measure of left or right in this country; not the existence of those policies because both republican and democrats say that they want those things; but when you investigate beyond the lip service you find that conservatives will give token-at-best support for the policies while leftists will support it with full vigor.

              tldr: the democrats very tepid support for these things is what makes them center-right; because the party that calls itself conservative takes pride in doing this, while most democrats do it too and hope you don’t notice.

              longer: democrats only push for re-distributive policies (if at all) once it becomes popular and they’re forced to respond; not because democrats are progressive. see biden’s decades long anti-gay crusade that suddenly stopped once he needed the votes and his expansion upon trumps draconian anti-immigration policies; or clinton’s establishment of anti-gay service and anti-gay marriage; and then see kamala backtrack on liberal positions like pre-k; community college, childcare, medicare expansion, etc. only the democrats very weakly seek social or economic policies of government and; for the most part; behave like republicans when it’s time to put their money where their mouth is; that’s why they’re center-right

              it sounds like you’re judging these books by their cover without reading any of the material. we’re on social media so it’s par for the course; but your takes are going to be divorced from reality if you don’t bother to go further than shallow understanding.

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                Her campaign videos with Obama asking for fundraising money boil down to “Gieb $5 or I let the orange man win” for me.

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          Center-left? In what way? They are genocidal imperialists, they aren’t anticapitalist in any form.

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            They want to use the power of government to reduce the harms of capitalism, via minimum wages, social safety nets, child tax credit, subsidizing more environmentally friendly energy production and electric cars.

            No they are not as far left as you and the people you talk to online, I didn’t say that. You are allowed to want different policies. You’re just incorrect to call them right wing.

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              They want to use the power of government to reduce the harms of capitalism, via minimum wages, social safety nets, child tax credit, subsidizing more environmentally friendly energy production and electric cars.

              1. No they don’t, lol

              2. That isn’t “center-left,” that’s center-right.

              No they are not as far left as you and the people you talk to online, I didn’t say that. You are allowed to want different policies. You’re just incorrect to call them right wing.

              Leftism starts at anti-Capitalism.

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                Ok I don’t expect you to see it but this is exactly why I said it’s a lie that online lefties tell themselves. Globally, yes you absolutely can be center-left without demanding the overthrow of Capitalism.

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                  What do you think leftism even is? An arbitrary vibe? Globally, Marxism-Leninism guides one of the most populous countries in the planet.

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                    Being left of center is not solely defined by being Marxist, and one country, even if it actually was Marxist and not 3 Capitalisms in a trenchcoat, would not define the standard of what constitutes “left” in the world.

                    I’m not saying Marxism isn’t Left. I’m saying it’s not literally the only thing that IS Left.

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              minimum wages, social safety nets, child tax credit, subsidizing more environmentally friendly energy production and electric cars.

              Republicans have also votes for bills supporting all of the above.

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                You have to realize that Republicans are not the party pushing for these things. What you are saying does not retort anything I said.

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                  Minimum wage and tax cuts stimulate the economy and reduce government spending. They are right wing policies. The Democrats are center right.

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                    Ending grain requisitions and transitioning to prodnalog stimulates the economy thus Lenin is a right wing hack.

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      No, this is literally where the U.S. falls on a global political spectrum. The Democrats would be considered center-right in most other nations. Even by their own historical standards, they’re center right; if you took a Democrat from 1975 and transported them to 1995, they’d ask you why the party had adopted the Republicans’ fiscal policies.