I think of Maos Cultural Revolution, or all the Korean civilians caught up in the Korean War murdered for being seen as “collaborators”
I’m not a fan of centralized state power, period. Any time there’s a lot of concentrated power there’s abuse of that power.
Your argument is “anarchism has yet to really happen therefore it can’t”. My argument is “authoritarian communism has been tried and failed and a whole lot of people suffered in the process”.
I don’t even want to argue, I find leftists who post long books of theory like what you just did to be completely insufferable. It’s so off putting to the general public.
Meanwhile, we have the Kurds practicing anarchism, we’ve got some anarcho syndicalism going on with the mondragon corp, they’re small examples but they’re good examples not full of controversy.
Most Communists agree that the Cultural Revolution was at minimum was misguided. The famines were avoidable, and government mismanagement was greatly to blame. However, ultimately the CPC ended famine and even under Mao, life expectancy doubled.
I’m not a fan of centralized state power, period. Any time there’s a lot of concentrated power there’s abuse of that power.
You’ve stated this, yes, but have done nothing to respond to my valid critiques of communes and cooperatives potentially giving rise to Capitalism again, nor to my statement that corruption can be fought just like hunger and poverty.
Your argument is “anarchism has yet to really happen therefore it can’t”.
It is not. My argument is that you can’t claim Anarchism “solves” anything until we see it in practice, if ever. I seem to have a better opinion of modern Anarchists than you do, as recognizing the failures and successes of former Anarchist movements is necessary to move on.
My argument is “authoritarian communism has been tried and failed and a whole lot of people suffered in the process”.
What do you mean by “failed?” Is it a failure to double life expectancy, as happened in the USSR and PRC? What about going from vast illiteracy to near 100% literacy rates, as happened in Cuba, the PRC, USSR, and many others? What about increased housing, free healthcare, lower working times, eradication of famine, or even now with the PRC being the largest economy in the world with respect to Purchasing Power Parity?
Moreover, you’re implying support for the Tsars, the fascist Batista, the agrarian Nationalist Kuomintang, the French Colonizers of Vietnam, and so forth. Would you tell the people overthrowing these regimes that they “failed?”
I don’t even want to argue, I find leftists who post long books of theory like what you just did to be completely insufferable. It’s so off putting to the general public.
So if you’re not going to argue, but are going to take unsourced, unsubstantiated potshots and respond to no points, and moreover refuse to read theory out of principle, what’s your point? Socialism: Utopian and Scientific is an essay, by no means a “long book,” so I am not even sure what you mean here. Do you expect to just have knowledge beamed into everyone’s heads? I tried to explain Marxism to you and you promptly ignored and took sectarian potshots.
Meanwhile, we have the Kurds practicing anarchism, we’ve got some anarcho syndicalism going on with the mondragon corp, they’re small examples but they’re good examples not full of controversy.
Yes, safely inoffensive for not being threatening in any capacity to the Capitalist order, meanwhile much larger and more successful Marxist states like the PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, and so forth continuously work to improve the lives of the whole of society. Silly.
I’ve said multiple times I’m not interested and you continue to bombard me with theory. I’m not reading it and I don’t care. Go mansplain leftism to someone else.
this kinda shit is why you dorks get called anarkiddies
meanwhile marxists are the only ones who have staged successful large-scale revolutions, so they were obviously doing something right in regards to appealing to the general public in ways anarchists haven’t been able to. might be getting results and maintaining them for longer than a few years? idk
and yet we’re the ones who have actually accomplished real things while you dorks just vibe over vague sentiments and disrupt leftist movements for not being pure enough
I think of Maos Cultural Revolution, or all the Korean civilians caught up in the Korean War murdered for being seen as “collaborators”
I’m not a fan of centralized state power, period. Any time there’s a lot of concentrated power there’s abuse of that power.
Your argument is “anarchism has yet to really happen therefore it can’t”. My argument is “authoritarian communism has been tried and failed and a whole lot of people suffered in the process”.
I don’t even want to argue, I find leftists who post long books of theory like what you just did to be completely insufferable. It’s so off putting to the general public.
Meanwhile, we have the Kurds practicing anarchism, we’ve got some anarcho syndicalism going on with the mondragon corp, they’re small examples but they’re good examples not full of controversy.
Most Communists agree that the Cultural Revolution was at minimum was misguided. The famines were avoidable, and government mismanagement was greatly to blame. However, ultimately the CPC ended famine and even under Mao, life expectancy doubled.
Secondly, the idea that it was the North Koreans doing the indiscriminate killings while the US bombed 85% of all buildings in North Korea and dropped more tons of bombs on it than the entire pacific theater of WWII, slaughtered countless villiahws of North and South Koreans, as well as the South Korean Dictator Chun Doo-Hwan murdering thousands of schoolchildren and college students for protesting for democracy is monstrous.
You really need to read up on your history.
You’ve stated this, yes, but have done nothing to respond to my valid critiques of communes and cooperatives potentially giving rise to Capitalism again, nor to my statement that corruption can be fought just like hunger and poverty.
It is not. My argument is that you can’t claim Anarchism “solves” anything until we see it in practice, if ever. I seem to have a better opinion of modern Anarchists than you do, as recognizing the failures and successes of former Anarchist movements is necessary to move on.
What do you mean by “failed?” Is it a failure to double life expectancy, as happened in the USSR and PRC? What about going from vast illiteracy to near 100% literacy rates, as happened in Cuba, the PRC, USSR, and many others? What about increased housing, free healthcare, lower working times, eradication of famine, or even now with the PRC being the largest economy in the world with respect to Purchasing Power Parity?
Moreover, you’re implying support for the Tsars, the fascist Batista, the agrarian Nationalist Kuomintang, the French Colonizers of Vietnam, and so forth. Would you tell the people overthrowing these regimes that they “failed?”
So if you’re not going to argue, but are going to take unsourced, unsubstantiated potshots and respond to no points, and moreover refuse to read theory out of principle, what’s your point? Socialism: Utopian and Scientific is an essay, by no means a “long book,” so I am not even sure what you mean here. Do you expect to just have knowledge beamed into everyone’s heads? I tried to explain Marxism to you and you promptly ignored and took sectarian potshots.
Yes, safely inoffensive for not being threatening in any capacity to the Capitalist order, meanwhile much larger and more successful Marxist states like the PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, and so forth continuously work to improve the lives of the whole of society. Silly.
You don’t need to do this sectarian nonsense.
I’ve said multiple times I’m not interested and you continue to bombard me with theory. I’m not reading it and I don’t care. Go mansplain leftism to someone else.
Marxists ain’t gonna do shit in the US.
I “bombarded” you with zero theory here, all of that was just Cowbee. You say you aren’t interested, but you’re more than happy to peddle nonsense.
Why do you think Marxists aren’t going to do anything in the US?
“boo reading is hard”
this kinda shit is why you dorks get called anarkiddies
meanwhile marxists are the only ones who have staged successful large-scale revolutions, so they were obviously doing something right in regards to appealing to the general public in ways anarchists haven’t been able to. might be getting results and maintaining them for longer than a few years? idk
Y’all are the dorks writing novels instead of touching grass and organizing people in person.
and yet we’re the ones who have actually accomplished real things while you dorks just vibe over vague sentiments and disrupt leftist movements for not being pure enough