Legit should have just let the South go. North versus South goes all the way back to the foundation of our nation. It’s never going to be resolved. Let the idiots have their racist homophobic dictatorship if that’s what they want. At least the rest of us can build a civilized nation with them out of the way.
I think it was resolved, but then Johnson got elected, pardoned the entire Confederate South including Jefferson Davis, and rolled back reconstruction. And the south benefited from electoral success by counting the slave population toward their number of representatives despite disenfranchising them.
I don’t have a real end point or pin to this thought but there’s solvable electoral process things that could change the outcomes. The upsetting thing right now is disenchantment in the power of procedures to affect outcome which (1) in some sense is just an unfortunate truth but (2) in another sense is a self fulfilling prophecy as we lose touch of how processes can control outcomes.
Let the idiots have their racist homophobic dictatorship if that’s what they want.
I’m sure it would never cause any lasting problems, sharing a substantial land border with an actively malicious enemy nation. /s
Besides, allowing them to leave because they wanted to continue actions antithetical to our values would be tacitly condoning them. “You can keep on trafficking humans, we just don’t want any part of it” is a pretty cold-blooded response.
No, letting them go was never a valid option. We just needed to actually finish reconstruction. You can thank John Wilkes Booth for eliminating that.
I have to do it all the time. I was born and raised in the south by (relatively) liberal parents. I recognize that some of my neighbors my not be up to the standards of the rest of the country, but (I can’t believe I have to say this out loud) we shouldn’t ostracize a geographic region of people because of social issues.
Social reform isn’t achieved by running up to someone and saying “You’re an uninformed idiot from a flyover state and what you believe is incorrect.” It’s achieved by saying, “I know you don’t really mean that” when someone says some weird shit and calling them out in a more neutral environment. Unfortunately you have to convince people to be better. It’s too easy to just close yourself off and decline into your own beliefs.
Ideally you’d know this person and interact with them somewhat regularly. If it’s online or this person believes they can ignore you without consequence then it won’t matter how you address them beyond that initial interaction.
Don’t use that as an excuse to feed into their believes though. There’s a chance someone they know is already trying to coax them back to reality. If anything in that interaction makes them feel justified, it’ll take 20x the effort to undo the mental hoops they’ll jump through to rationalize the rest of their feelings.
It sucks. It’s not fair to those impacted, but this is the only way to stop this radicalization and hardheadedness that plagues people nowadays.
Legit should have just let the South go. North versus South goes all the way back to the foundation of our nation. It’s never going to be resolved. Let the idiots have their racist homophobic dictatorship if that’s what they want. At least the rest of us can build a civilized nation with them out of the way.
You have the resolve of a cop trying to solve a crime committed by another cop.
I think it was resolved, but then Johnson got elected, pardoned the entire Confederate South including Jefferson Davis, and rolled back reconstruction. And the south benefited from electoral success by counting the slave population toward their number of representatives despite disenfranchising them.
I don’t have a real end point or pin to this thought but there’s solvable electoral process things that could change the outcomes. The upsetting thing right now is disenchantment in the power of procedures to affect outcome which (1) in some sense is just an unfortunate truth but (2) in another sense is a self fulfilling prophecy as we lose touch of how processes can control outcomes.
I’m sure it would never cause any lasting problems, sharing a substantial land border with an actively malicious enemy nation. /s
Besides, allowing them to leave because they wanted to continue actions antithetical to our values would be tacitly condoning them. “You can keep on trafficking humans, we just don’t want any part of it” is a pretty cold-blooded response.
No, letting them go was never a valid option. We just needed to actually finish reconstruction. You can thank John Wilkes Booth for eliminating that.
Man, saying things like this just further the divide without providing meaningful contributions to any of the current conversations.
So, how DO you have a conversation with a group that thinks you or your friends aren’t people?
I have to do it all the time. I was born and raised in the south by (relatively) liberal parents. I recognize that some of my neighbors my not be up to the standards of the rest of the country, but (I can’t believe I have to say this out loud) we shouldn’t ostracize a geographic region of people because of social issues.
Social reform isn’t achieved by running up to someone and saying “You’re an uninformed idiot from a flyover state and what you believe is incorrect.” It’s achieved by saying, “I know you don’t really mean that” when someone says some weird shit and calling them out in a more neutral environment. Unfortunately you have to convince people to be better. It’s too easy to just close yourself off and decline into your own beliefs.
And what if, as frequently happens, they do in fact mean it?
Well, I won’t lie. It’s difficult.
Ideally you’d know this person and interact with them somewhat regularly. If it’s online or this person believes they can ignore you without consequence then it won’t matter how you address them beyond that initial interaction.
Don’t use that as an excuse to feed into their believes though. There’s a chance someone they know is already trying to coax them back to reality. If anything in that interaction makes them feel justified, it’ll take 20x the effort to undo the mental hoops they’ll jump through to rationalize the rest of their feelings.
It sucks. It’s not fair to those impacted, but this is the only way to stop this radicalization and hardheadedness that plagues people nowadays.
Finally a voice of reason in a mob of tribalists.
Dude, that doesn’t help either
I wasn’t here to help. I was here to mock - Not you; but others. I’m not going to hold every persons hand and baby them into enlightenment.