Would you be fine with your country and its government selling weapons to putin? I don’t know where you are from but there’s a good chance your government sells weapon to saudi arabia or israel.

Is only the combination of drafting and going into another country that is unacceptable?

Forced draft alone is bad, ordering soldiers to invade another country it’s even worst.

Is Ukraine even using conscripts on that front?

Good question, are they? I think more people should be concerned about it especially these who are supporting their own government in sending weapons to the government of ukraine.

The goal of the invasion into Russia (in my estimation) is to take territory to trade back to Russia in exchange for parts of Ukraine that Russia has captured. Do you think that’s not okay? Why?

This isn’t a video game, what we are talking about is potentially forced conscript being ordered to invade russia and dying there a miserable way so that governments can trade pieces of land.

I don’t think being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is a good thing regardless of who you are.

“Are you trying to say U̶k̶r̶a̶i̶n̶e̶ the government of ukraine who is drafting against their will disabled men with heart disease, spinal injuries, epilepsy, autism, and other illnesses and disorders is wrong in ordering its soldier to invade Russia?”

This doesn’t sound good to me, nodoby should do this or have the power to do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-soldiers-thought-order-to-invade-russia-was-joke-2024-8

“Ukraine is wrong and they shouldn’t actually have any military at all btw, also I’m not a Russian troll”

never said such thing, that’s actually you saying it

Really? You really think that Russian politicians (aka Putin since Russia isn’t a democracy) are comparable to western nations?

Yes don’t you?

former pm of italy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi

former pm of usa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Russia is one of the worst places to live in when it comes to rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of press.

I would say saudi arabia it’s worst

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States–Saudi_Arabia_arms_deal

Bingo. This nullifies your credibility. Either you’re a troll or an idiot.

That’s simply what is happening look around you. Rulers and politicians profits in war, the military industry is booming, the cash is flowing. You think the really same people aiding israel in its genocide gives a fuck about peasants dying in a war?

https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/01/25/russia-continues-to-buy-iveco-lmv-armored-cars-from-italy_562027

The government of ukraine and its politicians don’t seem too different from these or russia, germany, france, italy or usa. In all these countries climate activists gets beaten and civil protests get repressed. All these countries support israel in its genocide and sell weapons to saudi arabia. In a way or another they are all tyrannical and not worth die burned alive in a trench for.

The “invasion” of Russia isn’t an invasion though. They have no desire (and no capability) to actually take land.

Russia propaganda be saying the same thing, for them it’s a “special operation” and not an invasion. The conversation you are replying to makes reference to another thread in which “orders to invade russia” were mentioned.

Or course drafting is controversial but it’s much less so when the purpose is to protect your country and home compared to what Russia is doing with their drafts where the only purpose is to kill and invade Ukraine.

So let me ask you something: if you were born in russia and kazakistan declares war to russia would you be fine with you and your friends be drafted by force and sent to the front fighting under the command of putin and its mobsters? Perhaps not everyone is willing to die burned alive in a trench, be it for the russian or ukrainian government.

If Russia surrendered with reasonable terms, Ukraine would obviously exit Russia. They have no desire to keep it.

Ukrainian people perhaps no. Worldwide governments seem to have an interest in this war because they are doing everything to fuel it.

No and i do not approve any other country invasion of another. What about you?

Just to throw my two cents in: This user isn’t a genuinely curious ponderer, rather they are a Russian troll trying to fish for arguments they could further use in bad faith to lick Putin’s boot.

You sound like a victim of propaganda. Arguments to convince people that a forced draft is bad does not benefit the russian government or any other. I encourage you to read other people posts better and to think with your own brain.

Back then the forced draft supporters where hiding behind their hypocrisy

The question asked in the thread title is really simple and you should try to stay on topic.

The argument you were trying to make is not “war bad”, but specifically that Ukraine’s counteroffensive is bad.

You were additionally arguing that it is morally reprehensible for other countries to provide economic support to Ukraine

You are twisting what i’ve said. I encourage you to read other people post better because i never made such claim.

From reading your comments alongside this post, it seems that the title should actually be “how do you make someone understand that rolling over and dying is good”, to which the answer is “oh fuck off mate”

If you believe that not being drafted by force and ordered to invade another country is the equivalent of rolling over and dying you are probably victim of the propaganda. As other have suggested here i advise you to watch drones videos from this war where they roll over and die

forcing that on someone can only be justified if they are literally at home fighting off an invading force.

I believe abolish someone rights is never a good thing. If you are fighting against someone that wants to take these away you have even more reason to respect these rights and stand for them.

Perhaps by bringing up resources that prove my philosophical views bad

How do you make someone realize that their philosophical views are bad then?

lemmy.ml is a horrible place.

Is it?

I’m sharing my feedback and warning others about the malice of these mods and to avoid the place if they seek serious discussion

It’s not, other planets aren’t wasting a cent and increasing their pollution for this farce and corrupted event. You win the olympics by not participating.

Not everyone in UK or US is a brainwashed idiot. There’s plenty of people who know their history and are in good faith.