Did you even think about this argument?

By this argument I could join a tennis tournament and take a shit on the court and punch the judge and you’d think that makes me a star player because people that don’t follow tennis heard of me.

Why do you feel like your opinion is worth sharing when it wouldn’t have even left your brain if you gave it any thought?

People are too forthcoming with their opinions.

I think that’s a fair take and perhaps indicates you’d lean anarchist-left. Direct action, mutual aid, and forming parallel power structures are the exact political and social activities that are core to that philosophy. Not exclusively so, but anarchists emphasize that kind of thing over activities like voting or, I guess, awaiting revolution.

I have mixed feelings myself, that kind of natural transformation won’t just be left alone to evolve, it’ll be actively resisted by powerful political and global forces, the United States and its allies would not allow it, for example. So in that sense a powerful political organization manifesting as a new revolutionary state does seem more likely to work to me, similar to how feudalism and monarchy resisted liberalism and had to be resisted through war.

Funny enough a big reason there’s animosity between leftists, especially between anarchists and Marxist-Leninists, is because anarchist experiments were sabotaged and anarchists were fought by “Communists” during the Spanish civil war even as they together fought against Fascists. You’d think a “communist vanguard state” with the goal of establishing communism would be supportive of autonomous anarchist collectives, but those leftists weren’t under the thumb of the Soviet Union. I think this pretty clearly demonstrated that the USSR wasn’t interested in anything but Empire.

Those states, according to theory, are meant to be a transition TO communism, but of course many things can go wrong in that process, and we’re kinda right back at the situation portrayed in the meme.

Despite my spat with the ML leftists in this thread, I see why the idea of a communist Vanguard state is appealing. I also see how a state which transforms into socialism or communism must be “authoritarian” in that it has to take away factories and land from those that keep it as capital, so that it can be shared. These states also had to contend with constant sabotage and aggression from the Liberal Democracies of the West who feared worker revolution coming to their own land.

Anarchists are a more idealistic bunch and generally strive to build parallel power structures and organizations of people and so try to construct a new order upwards. In practice it’s hard to imagine that method being able to replace nation states, especially with similar external sabotage on top of the existing internal challenges of running an equal society. Dictatorships and blind supporters of authoritarian leaders are hard to best in terms of efficiency.

Both approaches seek to accomplish communism, anarchists want to have their dessert right away, Marxist-Leninists believe the wolf will take care of them just as soon as he’s done eating his enemies.

There has never been a communist state, not as a cop-out, but because there is no state in communism by definition. These states claim that they’re transitional towards communism.

Rich for Marxists to throw out “anarchism has never worked when tried” lol. (Also isn’t true, see link).

But granted, maybe there’s a more charitable interpretation of their comments.

Not theory, refutation of the bullshit that anarchism necessitates forced labor. I don’t care what that poster thinks, I care that readers aren’t misled.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works

Lol this maymay cracked me up good internet joke i hope u get many points

You are conflating communism with authoritarianism as is commonly done on purpose or by accident to invalidate it. Anarchists are also often Communists and they oppose democracy for its oppressive properties as compared to consensus building and free association, that’s a critique of democracy from an even more libertarian perspective.

Socialists and Communists also believe in the democratization of the economy, so that a capitalist owner class doesn’t get to dictate how our labor and resources are allocated.

If you truly believe in freedom, you might be interested in anarcho-communism or socialism. Liberal democracy isn’t as free as you think.

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Yeah you can tell there are KPIs tied to bonuses causing this. Corporate culture is trash

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