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We probably should decide how much conflict we want to imagine happening here lol.

Wars from the 1700s-1800s (a couple hundred years ago from today) just aren’t thought about much during my regular daily life, but none of those were global catastrophes right.

So if we can manage to avoid major nuclear destruction, then it could be pretty tame after 300 years!

Assuming we don’t all destroy each other, then we mostly keep our knowledge base, so we don’t need to restart from a basic agrarian culture lol. Someone saved wikipedia right??

There will still be an unbelievable amount of losses from starvation alone, so we’re definitely restarting the population from small communities.

But 300 years of repopulation, and 300 years battery research might actually get us to something approaching the early 1900s again! (Around the 1930s is when about half of American households had electricity.) Cities are possible, we start getting back into shipping between countries or continents. If we add internet into this mix, we get even further!

Honestly, if we’re talking about hundreds of years (and humans don’t self-destruct) then I actually think we don’t get set back too far on the grand scheme of things lol.

I supported a pre-emptive Threads defederation, because I expect them to Embrace-Extend-Extinguish the fediverse for the sake of profit.

For the BBC, I don’t feel as overtly opposed. They don’t really have the user base to overextend us with, even if they tried to get their audience on mastodon lol. They haven’t seemed blatantly profit driven in the past. And they’re starting their own instance, using fediverse tech.

Does anyone think this is the BBC’s Embrace step? It’s not sparking any alarm bells for me, but can I get a sanity check?

Here’s their accounts, for the curious:

@BBCRD

@BBC5Live

@BBCRadio4

@BBCTaster

@Connected_Studio

@BBC_News_Labs

I vote both!

There’s a lot of situations where shared bikes are a great idea, so to me that’s a default “Yes!” answer lol.

But my own bike can be better suited to my needs and preferences, so that also becomes a “Yes!” to me too lol. For example, I usually prefer my bike’s seat to the ones on shared bikes.

But! If I’ve walked to my friend’s house, and we get invited to a game across town, I’ll gladly pick up a shared bike rather than detour home lol.

I feel like it would be nice to pull at least some content when the first person opens the box lol. Maybe the last 10-100 posts, or from the past 30-90 days, or whatever.

Maybe do this kind of smaller sync every time another user subscribes to it until it’s fully synced up, 'cause that means we all really want the content lol.

Kbin could do that independently right? Or would ActivityPub need to change to allow that?

Hmm interesting. I do think it’s just as important that we double-defederate unfortunately. Meta/Threads has to be treated as if it’s contagious.

If we stay federated with an instance that has accepted the Embrace, what do we do when the Extend happens? Is that when we defederate? Will we even recognize it?

EEE only works because it’s difficult to see it happening to you. Instances that ally with Meta/Threads will actually present the same threat of EEE, or even a greater threat, because the Extend step may appear to come from non-Meta instances.

Imagine ActivityPub upgrades developed by a Meta/Threads-ally, let’s say improved inter-instance moderator tools. That sounds good right?

It’s basically all the exact same arguments again, but with a middle man.

• Meta/Threads have different foundational priorities (namely, profit) and real incentives to monopolize.
• Meta-ally instances have real and implied incentives to accommodate
  Meta/Threads.
• And we have incentives to accommodate the instances that we federate with, so of course kbin would use the well-developed new mod tools right?
• Seems crazy not to, even if it was developed by a Meta-ally. Right?
• Great! Repeat for thousands of tiny changes, that’s called Extend.

That’s how accepting EEE works, each little step looks great but big picture we’re unknowingly in trouble. We’ll have to treat any Meta/Threads-ally as if it is Meta/Threads. (Hell, some of them probably will be lol, the fediverse is just asking for astroturfing lol.)

We can trust instances that don’t have economic incentives. But any instance that shows they can be swayed by money, or that shows they’ll accommodate instances driven by profit, well they’re showing that they’d consider eating us to become the next reddit.

@KapmK This morning I was looking at write freely.org, and paper.wf. I’m not sure it’s exactly what you want, but they may help someone else who’s looking for something similar!