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  • yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.eetoMemes@lemmy.mlI'm not even sure I want to know
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    1 year ago

    I don’t want to defend gulags but they didn’t have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.

    Neither did concentration camps:

    "Interned persons may be held in prisons or in facilities known as internment camps (also known as concentration camps). The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years’ War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps.

    The term “concentration camp” and “internment camp” are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law. Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as “concentration camps”."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment

    Don’t minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.

    The singularity of the Holocaust lies in the extermination camps, where millions of people were murdered with industrial efficiency:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

    Saying that concentration camps exist(ed) in other countries is not Holocaust relativism.
















  • So, just to let you know before I block you utter <bleep>, I was reading Marx when you were just a wet spot, and I actually do happen to „like“ him. But funny that you only now come quoting him, after I handed you half of the exact quote you’re giving. But I’m the one scouring Wikipedia 😂


  • yA3xAKQMbq@lemm.eetoMemes@lemmy.mlHow i feel on Lemmy
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    1 year ago

    That’s also not what I said, that Marxism is the one and only true communism.

    But when people refer to base or true communism, the answer is just one.

    🥱

    And the fact that you don’t consider communism partly an economic system is baffling

    It’s rather baffling that you, considering orthodox Marxism „true communism“, would think that. What kind of „economic system“ did Marx promote? And where do I find that in the Manifest?

    Are you referring to central planning? That’s a feature of Soviet style communism, it was invented at the beginning of the 20th century.

    As a matter of fact, Marx actually had little to say about how a post-capitalist society should actually look like, besides some commonplace quotes like „production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production“, which is neither original nor chiefly communist.

    describe a full featured system that covered it all

    Yeah, and do you know what the system Marx wrote about was? It was capitalist society. Marx was an analyst.

    If you knew what Marx actually wrote and thought, you’d find that he was heavily influenced by classic economists like Adam Smith and was rather fond of free trade (as were his peers).

    Also you’re completely wrong about:

    You can’t apply communist economic system principles to the capitalist market.

    Again, you would need to specify what exactly you mean, but there’s not much that hasn‘t existed short of taking full control of the market. Pre-neoliberal Europe was quite heavily invested in state owned companies and production, France had for most of the post-war era what can be classified as centrally planned economy.

    You on the other hand put on a great show of that infighting.

    Another mistake you make: I’m not infighting. I’m merely calling out the bullshit you hand out as „ELI5“, because quite frankly you haven’t got the faintest clue about what you call „base or true communism“ in the first place.

    G‘day.